I was President of the National Association of United Methodist Scouters from 2008-2012. Holding that office also made me a Director of the General Commission on United Methodist Men for the quadrennium. For several years before becoming President of NAUMS, I had said that while I was sure that GCUMM knew a lot about Men's ministry, they sure didn't know much about Scouting ministry. By the completion of my term, my opinion had changed significantly. I now understood that they didn't know much about Men's ministry, either.